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PROCEEDINGS IN PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 22. forward his important propositions; in tho Sir John Newport brought forward his mean time he should consult his own inmotion for an Address to the Throne on the terest by avoiding discussion of the subject. state of Ireland, in which it was proposed -Sir John Neu port, after the assurances to express a hope, that the powers lately he had received, did not press his motion, entrusted to the Irish Governinent, for the and it was rejected without a division. suppression of the disturbances which afflict that country, would be found to have been April 25. Lord J. Russell brought furused with mildness as well as resolution; ward his motion for a Reform in the Comand declaring that the House now felt that mons House of Parliament. His proposithe time was come to make an immediate tion was, “ That the present state of the inquiry into the state of Ireland, and the Representation of the people required the causes of the late acts of insubordination'; greatest consideration of the House." His and assuring his Majesty, that the House Lordship argued that the interests and the would beartily co-operate both in exploring wishes of the people are not now representthe causes of the evil, and in providing a ed in the House of Commons; that the remedy. The Hon. Baronet adverted to the House was formerly more popular in its evils of a non-resident gentry, an evil aggra- election, and that while the middle classes rated by the Union; to the oppressive were daily increasing in intelligence and amount of taxation; to the system of tythes; wealth, and ought therefore to possess inand the religious differences of the natives, creased influence, the House of Commons as the leading causes of the present unhappy was becoming more and more the property state of Ireland; and said that although it of the Aristocracy.-Mr. Canning was the was not reasonable to suppose these evils chief opponent of his Lordship's motion; his could be suddenly removed, yet was there speech was a masterly display of eloquence, no reason for delaying to lay the foundation and he was heard with the deepest attention. of a better system of society.—The Hon. He maintained that it was not true that the Mover was answered by Mr. Goulburn, who House of Commons was defective, because deprecated so early a discussion of a subject it did not respond to every impression of involving the measures of a Government so the people. That if the House of Comrecently established as three months since ; mons should feel that it was immediately and whose attention was, of necessity, in deputed from the whole people, that it met the first instance called to measures for im- to speak the will and not to consult for the mediate repression of existing commotions. benefit of the people, it must of necessity The Hon. Secretary did not deny the ne- soon swallow up the whole power of the cessity of a deep inquiry and a solemn con- State ; that a House of Commons freely sideration; but the evils alluded to were the chosen, if admirable in theory, was not the growth of centuries, and though the present constitution under which we lived ; that the Government could not be prepared with House as at present brought together was measures to remedy such deep-rooted griev- perfectly competent to the discharge of its ances, yet he assured the House that they functions, and therefore that the mode of had the whole of the important topics its election was of secondary importance. alluded to under most anxious and attentive The House then divided-Ayes, 164-Noes, consideration, and that when they should 269 - Majority against the motion, 105. have made up their minds, they would lay This result was received with loud and rebefore the House the measures they should peated cheering by the Opposition. recommend. In the mean time he moved the previous question on the motion of the Hon. April 29. The Marquis of Londonderry Baronet. -Mr. Peel also said the Hon. Ba- brought forward a motion for the considera ronet could not expect more than so distinct tion of the Agricultural Report. His Lorda promise of the Government, that their at- ship went over, in considerable detail, the tention was intensely turned to the situation views he had before taken of this important of Ireland, and that some important mea- subject; but declared that he saw no reason, vures would be proposed. As to the Catholic from any information received, or any arguquestion, it was wisely excluded from the ments which he had heard since his former intended Address. He should think it his statement, to alter his opinion of the geneduty firmly to oppose the removal of the ral
. outline he had before traced. He attrin Catholic restrictions when his Honourable buted the prevalent distress to the state of Friend in the next; Session should bring agriculture, and that relief was, not within
the 454 Proceedings in the present Session of Parliament. [May, the reach of legislative enactment. The Charles the Second, in consequence of the reduction of taxation had been carried to a alarm and indignation excited by the pregreat extent, and he hoped before the end tended Popish plot of Titus Oates and his of the present Session, that the Chancellor confederates. He disclaimed any intention of the Exchequer would propose a further by this motion of affecting the general reduction of 1,800,0001.; but on what spe- question of Catholic Emancipation, but decific articles he could not yet say, and it sired that it might entirely stand on its own would be most unwise for persons out of merits, as a measure of conciliation, devoid doors to speculate on the subject. But of danger, charitable before men, and just God forbid, he added, that he should be in- before God.—Mr. Peel contended that the strumental in deluding the country that doors of the House of Lords should not be such reduction of taxation could remove the opened to Catholic Peers while those of the existing distress. It might be a benefit to Lower House were shut to the members of the consumer, but to him only. His Lord- that communion. That if their exclasion ship concluded by moving for an advance of took place, in a moment of heat and alarm, 1,000,000l. of Exchequer Bills on corn, yet the Act of Union with Scotland, at a while wheat is under 60s.; a measure of very period of more temper, expressly disqualified doubtful benefit; but as it would probably all Scotch Ronian Catholic Peers even from produce a small temporary effect, and the the power of nomination ; a proof that the agriculturists desired it, it was well perhaps it then Legislature recognized no intention of should be tried. The other principal pro- ever again admitting Catholics to legislate. positions of his Lordship were–The Owners But, however, as the whole question was to of Foreign Corn now in warehouse to be be brought on next Session, there could be permitted to grind it for the purpose of ex- no benefit from agreeing to this measure ; portation. The Ports to be opened when and his principal motive in opposing this the home price shall be 80s. and continue motion was not so much to exclude a few open until it be below 70s. While the Catholic Peers, as to induce the House to price shall be between those sums a duty of postpone the consideration of their case till 12s., and an additional 5s. for the first three the general claims of the Catholics were months. A million of Exchequer Bills also considered, and proper securities given. – to be advanced to Ireland. Country One Mr. Plunkett fearing, if he were sileut, that Pound Notes to be permitted as at present it might be supposed he considered this till the expiration of the Bank Charter, motion of no importance, declared his full which is to be extended ten years. The concurrence in it. The Catholic Peers were Army and Navy Pension List, now near already admissible as Privy Councillors, from 5,000,000l. to be ontracted for, for 45 which no evil had arisen. This was merely years certain, and thus to be immediately calling on Parliament to reverse an act of reduced by about 2,200,000). The Sink- attainder passed in a spirit of injustice. ing Fund to be retained at compound inte- Mr, Canning's motion was carried by a marest, at least for ten years.-Mr. Western jority of five, the numbers being 249 to 244. said he expected some propositions in accordance with the Agricultural Committee ; May 1. The Chancellor of the Exchequer he was therefore disappointed; he augured gave a detailed account of the plan for no benefit from the advance of Exchequer equalizing the burden of the Superannuation Bills.—Mr. Ricardo said, that the present and Army and Navy Pension List for a term plan was an attack on the Sinking Fund, of 45 years. Contractors, he said, were to which might be considered to be now be found to receive for the whole of that abandoned. He then in conformity with period a fixed sum annually, say 2,800,000L. his known sentiments, argued for a free engaging to pay during the said 45 years trade in corn ; and proposed that the fo- the above list of pensions, amounting now reign corn now in bond may be taken out to 5,000,0001. and gradually of course defor home consumption when wheat shall creasing by deaths and casualties. - Mr. exceed 65s., on payment of a duty of 15s. Huskisson explained, that by carrying to on wheat. Several other members spoke, market from time to time portions of the but the discussion not having finished at stipulated sum of 2,800,0001. or Long Anhalf-past one o'clock, the House reported nuities for 45 years, as might be done with progress.
any other Stock, the Contractors would April 30. Mr. Canning brought forward have nothing to advance, and their profit a motion for the bringing in a Bill to admit will be when hereafter the pensioners shall Catholic Peers into the House of Lords. die off so fast, as to leave a portion of the In a most able and eloquent speech, he stipulated 2,800,0001. not disposed of more forcibly urged the justice and policy of this than adequate to satisfy all the remaining restoration of rights to some of the most pensioners. It was observed, that if any noble and loyal families in the Empire; a profit can be made by this plan, the Commisright possessed by them for more than a sioners of the Sinking Fund would be the best century after the Reformation, and of which contractors; for the Sinking Fund was not they had been deprived in the reign of wanted in the market to keep up the Funds.
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May 2. Lord Normanly brought for- “ Dead Expenditure" arrangements, and ward a proposition for the abolition of one the transactions with the Bank: in concluof the offices of Joint Postmasters General. sion, he remarked upon the inconsistency of His Lordship’s motion in the present in- the former declarations of Ministers, that stance was for an Address to the Throne. taxes were no burden, with their present The preservation of the office was strenuously professed anxiety for reduction. The Earl contended for by the Marquis of London- of Liverpool replied by a defence of the derty, who opposed the motion by such measures impeached by Earl Grey. He said arguments as the case afforded. After some Government had never expected that any reasoning upon the convenience of having legislative measure could give complete rea second Postmaster, in the event of his lief to agriculture, but they had endeavourcolleague's sickness, the noble Marquis ed to select the most efficient palliatives. abandoned altogether the ground of the effi- Government taxation (as distinguished from ciency of the second Officer, which had, in- parochial taxation), he said, affected the deed, been rendered untenable by the fact, agricultural population less than any other that Lord Clancarty held the office of Post- class, and therefore little advantage could master General during a three years' absence result to the agriculturalists from any practiupon his diplomatic mission. The noble
cable reductions of public taxes. To the Marquis defended the office as an indirect taunt that Ministers were now acting inconmode of remunerating unpaid efficient public sistently with former declarations, in defence Officers. His Lordship avowed, with com- of taxation, he replied by a denial of its mendable candor, that the use and purpose truth. He himself had always expressed an of the office was to give the Crown an in- opinion that taxes were an evil less only fluence over the holders, from personal in- than a violation of the public faith. With terest. The House then divided — Ayes, respect to the Bank, he could only lament 216– Noes, 201—Majority against Minis- the monopoly which that Corporation enters 15. The announcement of this Majo- joyed by its Charter ; för as their right was rity was received with loud and prolonged indisputable, he could go no farther without cheering.
the consent of the Proprietors, which they May 3. A number of Petitions were pre- were not disposed to sell at a cheap rate. sented upon the subject of the Agricultural The Marquis of Lansdowne moved for some question. Among others, one from the papers upon this last subject, the production county of Sussex, in offering which to the of which was agreed to. House, Mr. Curleis made use of the remarkable expression, that “ as Ministers In the House Of COMMONS the same had deserted the Agriculturalists, the Agri- day, after the presentation of some petitions, culturalists had no alternative but to desert the Marquis of Londonderry moved that Ministers."
the House should go into a Committee The Marquis of Londonderry presented at upon the Agricultural Report.-Mr. Elice the bar his Majesty's Answer to the Ad- opposed the motion in an elaborate speech, dress, moved on the preceding evening by the main argument of which was, that any Lord Normanby, promising the reduction thing tending to raise the price of agriculof the office of the second Postmaster-Ge- tural produce would be ruinous to the maneral. The House then went into the con- nufacturing and commercial interests; but sideration of the “Dead expenditure.” This though his reasoning went generally to the subject gave rise to some animated discus- principle of the Report, the hon. member sion, but no new argument was advanced on directed it specially against the clause under either side of the House, and the motion of discussion-the first clause of the Report the Chancellor of the Exchequer was carried which advises that an advance, by way of by a large majority.
loan, of one million, shall be made to the Mr. Canning's Bill for admitting Catholic agriculturalists in distress, upon the security Peers to vote in Parliament was read the first of corn in warehouse, whenever the price of time.
wheat shall be below 60s.--Mr. Benett (of Wilts) deprecated the invidious preference
claimed for the manufacturing and commerHOUSE OF LORDS, May 6.
mercial interests. He said the landlords Earl Grey took the opportunity to animad- would be satisfied with the rents of 1792, vert in terms of great severity upon the with a proportionable reduction of taxation, Report of the Agricultural Committee of the which he considered the only effectual meaHouse of Commons, and to arraign all the sure of relief.- After two or three members late measures of Ministers ; as well those had spoken shortly, the Marquis of Londonwhich had received the sanction of Parlia- derry rose to defend the clause. He contendment, as those which are in progress. Hised that the proposed measure (which was to Lordship particularly alluded to the scheme be treated merely as a temporary expedient) of pretended relief to the agricultural inte- would operate beneficially by equalizing the rest, which it was understood Ministers had markets, and securing the small farmer borrowed from the Committee ; to the against the necessity of selling at a disad
456 Proceedings in the present Session of Parliament. [ May vantage.--Mr. Curwen expressed his appro- average price of train in the foreiga markets, bation of the first clause, and hinted some- and even its price at the present momest, thing of the advantage of a permanent mea- all, including his Majesty's Ministers, seetsure founded on similar principles.-Mr. ed equally uncertain : opinions fluctuated Brougham nick-named the moasure a pawn- between 20s. and 45s. probably according to broking scheme.—Mr. Huskisson opposed the different markets with respect to which the clause, on the ground that if the markets the speakers had been informed. In the rose, the proposed million would be useless ; end, Sir T. Lethbridge's proposition ra but if they fell, there would be a great rejected by a majority of 243 to 24. scramble for it. Several other members Previously to the resumption of the spoke. Those in opposition opposing the Agricultural Committee, Mr. Nyil moved, clause very earnestly, and the country- as an amendment to the order of the day, : gentlemen treating it rather coldly; when, resolution, that the only effective mode of at length, the Marquis of Londonderry con- giving relief to the Agriculturalists would be fessed that he had opposed in the committee by a reduction of taxation. This resolution the clause which he had just been recom- he prefaced by a declaration, that the scale mending to the House, and consented to its of reduction from which relief was to be abandonment.
expected, was not less than twenty millions
annually. A proposition so outrageous, neHOUSE OF COMMONS, May 7.
cessarily ensured the defeat of the particular
motion. The House applied itself to the conside- May 9. The consideration of the Agriration of the Agricultural Committee Re- cultural Committee Report was resumed. port. The propositions offered to the at- After a few words from Mr. Denison, who tention of the House were, upon the sugges- professed his despair of relief to the suffertion of the Marquis of Londonderry, mar- ing Agriculturalists from any other source shalled in the following order :- 1st. The but a reduction of taxes, Lord Authorp proposition of Sir Thomas Lethbridge, re- proposed an amendment to the resolution commending the highest rate of import of Mr. Ricardo to the following effect ; duty (35s. per quarter). -2d. The proposi- namely, that a fixed import duty of 20s. tion of Mr. Benet, recommending a duty should be imposed upon foreign wheat, and of 24s. per quarter.—3d. Mr. Ricardo's pro- a drawback or bounty of 185. allowed on ex. position for a fixed duty of 10s. The dis- ported foreign or British wheat. His Lordcussion commenced with a disputation be- ship expressed his confidence that such as tween Messrs. Atwood and Ricardo upon the arrangement would make Great Britain mu question of currency. - The Marquis of exporting country. This proposition called Londonderry followed, rebuking the dis- up Mr. Ricardo, who entertained the House putants for this ill-timed display of their with a long and formal thesis upon the proficiency in Political Economy; and ex- general question, which terminated in the pressing his disapprobation, more or less, conclusion, that 75. would be a sufficient of all the three propositions immediately import duty to protect the British farmer, before the House.—Sir Francis Burdett although in submission to public opinion, made an attack upon the system of Govern- and to cover possible errors in his calculament for the last 30 years, and broadly re- tion (of the terms of which he said nothing) commended a reduction of the interest on he had allowed ten shillings in his Resoluthe public debt.-He was answered by Mr. tion. Mr. Benett (of Wilts) called in vain Robinson, who, amidst the cheers of the for the terms of the Hon. Member's calcuHouse, challenged the Honourable Baronet lations, which determined 78. as a sufficient to bring forward his proposition for a viola- protecting duty. The debate was continued tion of the public faith in the form of a by Mr. Curwen, the Marquis of Londonderry, specific motion, but Sir Francis made no Mr. Lockhart, and a number of other memreply to the challenge.--Mr. Ricardo spoke bers. At length the question was put upon in defence of his proposition, and thus con- Lord Althorp's amendment, which was recluded the debate of this night.
jected by a majority of 220 to 34. The
question was next put upon Mr. Ricando's May 8. The subject of the Agricultural resolution for a duty of 20s. to be diminished Report was resumed, when Mr. Benett (of 1s. aunually until it fell to 10s. at which Wilts) opened the discussion by a long and sum it was to be fixed, with a bounty of 75. able speech in recommendation of his plan. upon exportation. This Resolution was An almost unprecedented number of speakers also rejected, the numbers being-Ayes, 25 followed, amongst whom Mr. Bankes and --Noes, 218. The Marquis of Londonderry Lord Althorp argued at length, in favour then moved, " That the present duties do of a protection to the agriculturalists. It cease and determine." 'This motion was was admitted on all hands that the restric- carried by a majority of 218 to 36. His tive import duty should be regulated by the Lordship then proposed a Resolution in minimum price at which foreign corn conld substance as follows, which was carried be imported. But with respect to the without a division-That the Ports shall
1822.] Proceedings in the present Session of Parliament. not be opened until the home price of Wheat for bullion from the Bank, which could not shall have reached 80s.; that when the be answered for a month
-a refusal on the home price shall have declined to 70s. the part of the Government to pay the Bank ports shall be closed; that for the first the bankruptcy of that Corporation - the th:ee months after the opening of the ports, ruin of the Country Banks--the almost total foreign wheat shall pay a duty of 175. and absence of currency which must ensue, and after that period a duty of 128.
which, independent of the promiscuous de
struction in which the collateral operation May 10. The House of Commons was of the measure must jnvolve all classes, chiefly occupied with the debate upon the would directly tend to diminish infinitely second reading of Mr. Canning's Bill for the price of grain, upon the in.nutable prinadmitting Catholic Peers into Parliament. ciple, that prices are regulated by the The Marquis of Londonderry, Mr. Canning, amount of inoney in circulation.- Lord Mr. Peel, and Mr. Wetherell were the prin- Althorp, and several Members who had cipal speakers; the motion for the second voted with Mr. Wyvill, disclaimed any parreading was carried by a majority of 235 to ticipations in the extent to which that
gentleman had, in his speech, proposed to May 13. The Report of the Committee carry the reduction of taxes. The Report of the Honse upon tlie Distresses of Agri- of the Committee was, at length, proposed culture was brought up. On the motion and adopted by a majority of 153 to 22. for bringing up the Report, Colonel Davies Messrs. Huskisson and Ricardo then proexpressed his approbation of the Resolutions posed their respective Resolutions, merely of the Marquis of Londonderry; but pro
with a view to have them entered on the posed to add a series of Resolutions to be Journals : they were of course rejected. adopted concurrently with them. These Resolutions were founded upon the prin- May 14. Mr. Hume proposed four Resociple that the Irish farmer possessed an ad- lutions demanding inquiry into the state of vantage over his British competitor in an
the Government of the Ionian Islands. exemption from the Excise duties on Hides, The Hon. Member introduced his motion Soap, Candles, and Salt; and they proposed by a long speech, in the course of which he that three-fourths of the duties on the three alleged many charges of tyranny and oppresformer articles, and the whole of the salt sion against the High Commissioner Sir T. duty, should be repealed. As a measure ne- Maitland. He was satisfactorily replied to cessary to impartiality, it was added, that by Mr. W’ilmot, and the House rejected the the Irish Window and Leather Taxes should motion by a majority of 152 to 67. also be given up. After the Resolutions had been read, the Speaker interfered, and May 15. A discussion arose upon a pepronounced the discussion of them irregular tition
from the county of Sligo, complainin the present stage of the question. Co- ing of the exaction of the tithe of potatoes, lonel Davies was in consequence compelled to which by law, and, as it seems, by usage to abandon his motion.--The House then in three of the provinces, the Clergy are took the Agricultural Report into considera- entitled, but which they have not hitherto tion. Sir J. Sebright expressed his satisfac- claimed in Connaught. Mr. Cooper, Mr. tion at the Resolutions embodied in the Re- Dennis Browne, Sir J. Neuport, and the port, which Mr. Westeru, on the other hand, other great landholders, combated the described as neither directly nor remotely claims of the Clergy. serving interests of agriculture. The Mr. Lennard moved for a Select ComHon. Member affirmed, that the present mittee to inquire into the diplomatic exprices of wheat and rye at Hamburgh were, pences of the Government. He spoke at --the former from 26s. to 31s. per quarter, great length, comparing the expenditure the latter from 13s. to 14s. He animad- of this country at present with the expenverted with great severity upon Mr. Peel's diture in 1792; and also with the present Bill, and alluded to his foriner intimation diplomatic expenditure of America. The upon the subject of a return to a paper Hon. Member adverted particularly to the currency.- Mr. John Smith, alverting to recent appointment of Mr. Wynn to the the proposition and speech of Mr. Wyvill Swiss Cantons, with a salary of 1,0001. for upon a former evening, combated at some the discharge of duties, which had been for length the opinion, that the agricultural seven years executed by another Gentlepopulation would be benefited by the exces- man for 2501. a year.—The Marquis of Lonsive reduction of taxation, suggested by the donderry defended the present diplomatic Member for York. The effect of such a establishment upon the ground of the changes measure Mr. Smith traced through the fol- which have taken place in Europe. He conlowing chain of consequences — The reduc- tended for the important rank of Switzerland tion of dividends one half- -a corresponding in the present European system ; and in proof fall in the price of Stock-- an enormous
cited the fact, that at this moment one of rise in the Foreign Exchanges - a demand the most distinguished statesmen of the Ruse CIENT. Mag. May, 1822.