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ard; but as he could not stand upright in it, he was removed next night to another.

Mr BROUGHAM having now put a question relative to what Majocci had said of Baron Ompteda, the AttorneyGeneral objected, that any such speech could by no means be received as evidence, and that the opposite counsel could have no title to put the question, unless Majocci had been asked whether he ever had any conversation with Carrington on the subject. Mr Brougham urged, that Majocci having been asked if he remembered certain circumstances relative to Ompteda, if he could be proved to have mentioned in detail these circumstances to the present witness, his evidence would be materially invalidated. After a great deal of discussion, and a reference to the Judges, it was determined that Majocci should be recalled, and the omitted ques tion put to him by the Court.]

Did you know Majocci, or meet him at a place called Rucchinelli, not far distant from Rome, at any time?-I recollect extremely well that I met him there.

Did he there speak to you concerning Baron Ompteda?—I had conversation with him on one occasion, if not on more occasions than one, as regarded her Royal Highness, and also about Baron Ompteda. What did he there say to you upon those subjects?—I recollect his saying that the Baron had employed one of the servants to procure false keys.

Did he shew you the keys that were to be imitated, according to his own account? -Yes, he did, at Como.

Did he ever state to you that he knew a person to have been so employed, and that, if he had had his own pleasure, he would kill that person "like a dog?"-I recollect his saying so.

Did he ever say, in your hearing, that Baron Ompteda was an ungrateful fellow, and that he brought suspicion on the servants? I can recollect his saying something to that effect.

Did he frequently talk to you about the Baron ?--Yes, frequently.

At various places? at Antwerp, for instance?-Certainly.

Cross-examined. What led to this conversation?―Majocci was talking of the disrespect that Baron Ompteda had shewn

to the Princess, and saying that he should like to have satisfaction for it.

What gave rise to this conversation? -It was the general talk of the house. This was in the month of July 1817? -Yes.

Did you begin the conversation, or did he commence it with you?—He commenced it with me.

And in the manner you have now stated?—Yes, he did.

He began by stating that Ompteda had behaved ungratefully?—Yes.

And that he had employed the postilion and chambermaid to steal the keys of the Queen ?—Yes.

Was that the precise way in which he commenced?-The first words were, "Have you heard of the affairs of Omp

teda ?"

Those affairs that had been talked of in the house?—Yes.

He asked you whether you had heard of those affairs?—Yes.

What did you say?—I said I heard something of them, by which means he began, and told me the whole over again.

Then he had told you of them before that?-He talked about them in the servants' hall, when I was in the servants' hall, with other servants.

What other servants were there?I think there were at the livery-servants' table eight or ten, together with other people belonging to the house.

Marquis of BUCKINGHAM.-You stated that you had been in the King's service?-Yes.

A midshipman in the navy?—Yes.
How long have you quitted the service?
I left it in 1811.

How long did you remain in it?--About twelve months.

Did you enter the service of Sir W. Gell immediately after you left the navy? -Yes, immediately.

Do you understand Italian ?-Yes.
Very well?-Not very well.

Can you speak the language?-Yes. So as to be understood-to enable you to make your way in Italy?—Yes.

In what language did Majocci hold the conversation with you?—In Italian.

Did any one interpret between you?No, I understood him perfectly well. I suppose you cannot speak Italian suf

ficiently well to state the original words Majocci made use of as to Baron Ompteda; give the expression to us, therefore, in English?-Majocci said, that he and the servants, generally, had made up their minds, if they met Ompteda, to give him a good thrashing, and kill him if they could.

Was that all that passed about Ompteda?-It was all he said about killing Ompteda.

Then you mean to say, that he never said any thing to you respecting killing Ompteda, except those words you have stated?-He said farther, that he was forbidden to do so by Lieutenant Hou

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You had a certificate, but you have lost it?-Yes.

What situation did you occupy in the Poictiers?-I was a midshipman.

How long were you a midshipman in the Poictiers?-I don't know exactly.

By the Duke of CLARENCE.-You were never in his Majesty's service previously to serving in the Poictiers ?-No.

When you entered, how were you rated; whether as a midshipman, or as a youngster?-I went with Sir John Beresford.

Were you at once rated as a midshipman?—I am not sure that I was at the time, but I was rated as a midshipman when I left the Poictiers.

The witness is perfectly sure that he left his Majesty's service for nothing else but at his own request?—Yes, I am sure I left it at my own request.

JOHN JACOB SICARD, [Had served the Marquis of Stafford ten years as cook, and was engaged by the Princess of Wales in the same capacity.

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By the orders of Sir William Gell, he hired Bergami.]

Do you recollect the house her Royal Highness lived in the first night at Naples ?-Yes.

Was there sufficient accommodation for her Royal Highness and her suite?—Not conveniently.

Were other arrangements made the day after? Yes, several alterations were made.

Do you recollect where Bergami's chamber was the first night?—Yes, it was where Charles Harford slept, or somewhere there, over Lady Elizabeth's room.

Did he continue to sleep there?-I believe for one night or two only.

Did he then remove to another chamber?-Yes.

I did.
Who appointed the other chamber?—

What chamber was it?-A small cabinet.

Did you make that arrangement by the direction of her Royal Highness?-Ño, I

did not.

Did her Royal Highness converse with you yourself?-Many times.

In what manner did her Royal Highness converse with her servants?-Generally uncommon kind, almost to a fault.

Was this manner of her Majesty general towards all her servants, or was it confined to one individual?—It was general

to all.

Have you ever had occasion to walk Many times, by her Royal Highness's near her Royal Highness, or with her?command.

Did you ever walk so with her Royal Highness in a garden?—Yes, in the garden and pleasure-grounds at Blackheath, many times.

On those occasions did her Royal Highscendingly. ness talk with you?—Yes, very conde

casion to take your arm when so walking? Has her Royal Highness ever had oc -No, except when ascending steps, or a rising ground, and sometimes in course of conversation her Royal Highness did me the honour of laying hold of my arm, and saying, "Do you understand what I Lordships see how I hold the arın. (A mean? do you agree with me?" Your laugh.)

How long did you walk so?-About half an hour perhaps.

Do you remember a masked ball at Naples?-Yes.

Was it given by her Royal Highness? -Yes.

To the Court of Naples?—Yes. Who had the management of it ?—I had the management.

Did any one assist you in the management? Yes, Mr Parelli.

Who is Parelli?-He is a very respectable person, a merchant, known to some of your Lordships; he is known to Lord Landaff.

Were any of the suite masked?-Yes, Hieronymus and I went together.

How were you dressed?-As Turks. Do you happen to recollect her Royal Highness attending that masquerade herself?-Yes.

Did she wear one dress or more dresses? -I recollect two dresses.

Do you recollect what her Royal Highness's dresses were?-One was a kind of country dress, and the other a Turkish dress.

You are no longer in her Majesty's service?-I have a pension as long as her Majesty is pleased to give it.

Cross-examined.-What amount of pension have you?—Four hundred pounds 3-year.

Depending on her Majesty's pleasure? -Entirely so.

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You entered her Majesty's service sometime before she went abroad, and left her Majesty at Naples ?-Her Majesty left me. (A laugh.)

When did you join her Royal Highness again? Not till I went to inform her Majesty of the news of the King's death.

So that the only time you speak to is during the time of her Majesty's residence at Naples?-Exactly, yes.

With respect to the apartment occupied by Bergami at Naples, had it not a direct communication by a passage with the apartment occupied by the Princess? Not exactly so, but through several doors. Was there a small cabinet contiguous to the apartment of Bergami?-There were several: two.

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the bed-room of Bergami to the bed-room of the Princess?-Yes.

Was there, beyond that passage, and parallel to it, a smaller passage, leading the whole length ?-There was.

Was there at the end of that passage a small cabinet ?—Not to my recollection.

Was it so constructed that a part of the passage might be enclosed so as to form a small cabinet ?—I cannot answer what might be done.

Was there not a communication along that passage, through those doors you described, to the bed-room of the Princess?-Yes.

Did any body sleep there ?-Not that I know of.

The rooms in which Hieronymus, Dr Holland, and William Austin slept, all communicated with the other wide and public passage?—They did.

And there was no person slept in the line of communication you pointed out between the room of the Princess and the room allotted to Bergami ?—I understood that when Bergami was ill, a servant was to have slept there, but I never saw it.

Then, with that exception, there was nothing to interrupt the communication, provided the parties were desirous of communicating, between one room and another ?-I do not recollect that there was.

Have you not been on the Continent to bring over witnesses?—I had a letter from her Majesty to Carlsruhe.

Did you bring over any witnesses to this country?-No.

By Lord ELLEN BOROUGH.-Did you make any observation as to Bergami's manners?-They were proper.

Did he seem superior to the situation for which he was hired ?-I believe he was not quite so chatty as the Italians generally are. I believe he behaved properly as far as I saw.

Did his manners appear to be superior to his situation?-Not particularly so; he was very civil and obliging.

You did not consider him too much of a gentleman to act as courier ?-Not exactly so; he never shewed himself in that way: he never refused to do any thing when he was told.

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Were his manners rather those of a gentleman than of a courier ?—He might have been rather more of a gentleman than of the lower sort.

DR HENRY HOLLAND, [Accompanied her Royal Highness as physician, was with her at Naples and Genoa, left her at Venice.]

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Did you know a person in her Royal Highness's service named Bergami ?--I did. Did he dine with her Royal Highness while you were at Genoa ?-He did not. During the period you resided with her Royal Highness, what conduct did she observe towards Bergami ?-Always that conduct which became a mistress towards her servant.

What did you observe to be the conduct of Bergami towards her Royal Highness?-Never any other than unpresuming and respectful.

Was there any understanding, before you left England, as to the period which you were to stay with her Royal Highness?-There was a general understanding that I was to stay a year and a half or two years.

At what place did you quit her Royal Highness's suite ?—At Venice.

Had there been any conversation as to your leaving her Royal Highness before you arrived at Venice ?-There had at Milan.

At whose suggestion was it that you went on to Venice?-It was my own.

When you left her Royal Highness at Venice, was it understood that you were to quit her household entirely, or to return?-It was understood that I was to return.

Did you leave articles belonging to you in the household of her Royal Highness, with the intention of returning?—I did.

What was the occasion of your leaving the Princess at Venice and coming to England?-At Milan her Royal Highness suggested to me that I might make a tour of six weeks to Switzerland. I expressed my wish that, instead of going there, I should be allowed to return for a short time to England, on private business. Her Royal Highness agreed. It then became merely a question whether I should go first to Venice, or return straight to England. I preferred the former.

Cross-examined. Are you acquainted with a minister at York ?—I am.

Having reminded you of that, allow me now to ask whether you ever stated to that gentleman that you disapproved of her Royal Highness's conduct towards Bergami -I never have.

Have you ever informed any person whatever that you did not think the conduct of her Royal Highness was proper, or words to that effect?-I have never stated any thing to that effect.

I ask not with reference to Bergami, but whether you have not made any observation of this kind?—I am so satisfied of the negative, that I can venture to swear it.

We all know, Dr Holland, that you have published some travels. I wish to know whether, in publishing them, you have had occasion to alter any opinion you had previously entertained respecting her Royal Highness?

Mr WILDE objected to this question. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL then put the following:

Have you always entertained the same opinion which you now have respecting her Royal Highness ?-I feel it quite impossible to describe all the fluctuations of opinion I may have had at different times; but of this I am satisfied-that I do not recollect any change whatever in my opinion respecting her Royal Highness.

By Lord ERSKINE.-During the whole time of your attendance on the Princess at all places, did you ever observe any indecent, immodest, or improper conduct in her Royal Highness?—I have not.

By Earl GREY.-Have you, during any part of your residence with her Royal Highness, observed any thing in her Royal Highness s conduct which was calculated to bring disgrace upon this country?-As far as I can say, decidedly not.

By the Earl of HARROWBY.-What kind of Italian did the Countess of Oldi speak?-Very much that kind of Italian which is spoken in Lombardy.

Is that dialect generally spoken by persons of fashion and education?—I have heard it spoken by persons of education and fashion, when conversing with each other; but almost all such persons have been capable of speaking the pure Italian.

Did you ever hear the Countess of Oldi speak pure Italian ?-It would be very difficult, upon my recollection only, to say whether it was pure or not.

Mr BROUGHAM. You have said that your salary did not cease in June, 1815. I wish to ask whether your salary has ceased since?-It has.

How long?-Fifteen months exactly from the time I entered into her Majesty's service.

Have you any pension since?-None whatever.

CHARLES MILLS, Esq. [Resided at Rome, where he commonly dined with the Princess during the twelve days she remained there. He met there some of the nobility, and in general the first company.]

Did you see any of their Eminences (the Cardinals) at dinner?-I never saw any at dinner.

At other times, besides dinner, did they attend? They came frequently to the evening parties.

Was Bergami then her Royal Highness's chamberlain ?-He was.

Did he, in that character, dine at her Royal Highness's table?—He did.

Did you often see her Royal Highness and her chamberlain Bergami together? -Frequently.

Did you ever see the smallest impropriety of conduct between them ?-Ne

ver.

Does this answer apply to your observation of the Princess and Bergami as well at Rome as at other places ?—Yes, certainly.

Had you the honour of paying your respects to the Princess after she became Queen? Yes, I had.

When and where ?-At Rome in the beginning of the year.

Had she then assumed the title and dignity of Queen of England ?-She had. About what month was that?—I think February, 1820.

Had she two ladies of honour then appointed to attend her by the Roman government?—No, she had not.

Had she any guard of honour, or any of those marks of distinction paid her, which you saw when she was Princess of Wales?-No.

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Did you ever see any thing in the conduct of these parties (the Queen and Bergami) derogatory to the honour and dignity of the British empire, or likely to wound the moral feelings of the people of this country ?-Never (with peculiar emphasis.)

Did you in other respects, either in public or in private, see the Queen conduct herself in any way at which a just exception could be taken ?—I never did.

By Viscount FALMOUTH.-Were you, on the occasions when you dined and supped with the Countess Oldi, introdueed to her by her Majesty ?-Yes, my lord; I was introduced on the first occasion.

Did you make any observation upon her manners?-Her manners appeared to me to be unobtrusive and natural.

Were they the manners of an Italian lady?-I did not consider them other

wise at all.

JOSEPH THEOLINE, [Colonel in the Italian army, member of the French Legion of Honour, and brother to a General of Division.

Did you know Bergami when he served in a military capacity in General Pino's brigade ?—I did.

When did you know him first ?-At a

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