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greater proportion of Italian gentlewo- No, I do not think that it struck me he

mnen.

How often did your lordship meet her?-I met her on two occasions, once at the Villa d'Este, and a second time at Milan.

Did you know on either of those occasions that she was the sister of Bergami? -I believe I was not informed of that circumstance on the first occasion, but I certainly was aware of the fact when I saw her at Milan.

By the Earl of LAUDERDALE.-At what part of the table did your lordship sit when you dined with her Royal Highness the Princess of Wales at the Villa d'Este?-On the side opposite to her Royal Highness.

How was your lordship placed in this respect when you dined with her Royal Highness at Milan ?-As well as I am able to charge my memory with the circumstance, I sat at her Royal Highness's side.

You have already stated that Bergami dined at the table; at what part of it did he take his seat?-He sat, I believe, on the opposite side of the table.

Did your lordship receive any particular attention from her Royal Highness? She always treated me in a very gracious manner.

Was there any thing remarkable in her deportment towards Bergami ?-I_remarked no peculiarity.

Where did Bergami's sister, the Countess Oldi, sit on that occasion?-By the side of Bergami.

By the Earl of DARLINGTON.-Did you never observe any singularity in the deportment of her Royal Highness towards Bergami?-I never observed any.

By Lord ELLENBOROUGH.-Did you make any observation on the deportment and manners of Bergami himself?—I remarked that his manners were unobtrusive; I never saw him forward or assuming.

Had you any conversation with Bergami?-No particular conversation; he spoke a little: the only time when I was alone with him was in the gallery at Milan, but I do not recollect any particular

conversation.

From the opportunity you had of observing Bergami's behaviour, could you form any opinion of his being superior to the situation he had formerly filled?

was.

LORD GLENBERVIE,

[Was at Genoa with her Royal Highness, whom Lady Glenbervie agreed to attend till the arrival of Lady Charlotte Campbell, who was daily expected. During this time his lordship dined fre quently with the Princess.]

During that time did you see a person of the name of Bergami?-I saw him every day I dined there.

What was the conduct you observed in her Royal Highness towards him during that period?-Bergami waited behind the Princess's chair, in the habit of a courier. I often had the honour to sit next to her, and all I saw in her was the behaviour of any mistress of rank to a servant. He often helped the Princess and me to wine and other things.

What was the conduct of Bergami towards her Royal Highness ?—That of servant.

Was it respectful, becoming his place, or otherwise?I did not observe any thing particular; if there had been any thing like disrespect, I should have observed it.

Did you mention the year?-1815.

What company did you meet at her Royal Highness's table during that pe riod?-Mrs Falconet and her two daughters; Mr Hownam, a Lieutenant in the navy; Lady C. Campbell came some days or a week after the Princess; Dr Holland was also there most days, but not all; I likewise saw some Genoese noblemen; one in particular I recollect, Marchese Jean Carlo Negri. There were also some English officers of the navy.

Did you see Lady William Bentinck there?-I saw her at Genoa frequently.

At her Royal Highness's?-I saw her there, but whether I dined with her there I do not recollect.

Do you recollect attending any balls given by her Royal Highness?—The only ball given there I went to.

Did you meet there the principal persons of the place?—I think a great many of them, the principal ladies and gentlemen of the place.

LADY CHARLOTTE LINDSAY, [Was one of the Princess's ladies of the bedchamber since 1808; but on her going

abroad, accompanied her only to Brunswick, according to previous understand→ ing. She afterwards joined her at Naples in 1815.

How long did you then continue with her?-I joined her Royal Highness in the beginning of March. I remained with her as long as she continued at Naples; I accompanied her to Rome, from thence to Civita Vecchia; I then embarked on board the Clorinde, and quitted the Princess at Leghorn; this was by an arrange ment which had been settled before we met.

By whom was her Royal Highness visited while at Naples? She was visited by all the English of distinction there, and by the Neapolitans of distinction, and other parties.

Be pleased to state the names of some? -Lord and Lady Landaff, Lord and Lady Gage, Lord and Lady Cunning ham, Lord and Lady Holland, Lord Clare, Lord G. Somerset, Lord F. Montagu, Lord and Lady Oxford, Sir W. Gell, Mr Davenport, Mr W. Bankes, and there may be others whose names I forget.

Was her Royal Highness visited by Mrs Falconet?-She was.

And her daughters?-And her daugh

ters.

Were you on board the Clorinde with her Royal Highness?—I was.

Do you remember where her Royal Highness slept on board ?-She slept in a part of the Captain's cabin which was divided into two; her Royal Highness slept in one part, and the Captain and his brother in the other.

Did any other person sleep in the division of the cabin where the Princess slept? Yes, her maid.

Do you recollect any thing arising in consequence of the cabin being divided into two parts?-Nothing particular, except that the Princess expressed some regret that the other part of the cabin had not been appropriated to me instead of the Captain and his brother.

Did it occasion any difference between the Princess and the Captain?-No, I did not observe it.

Do you remember a person of the name of Bergami being in the service of her Royal Highness?-I was often in company with the Queen when Bergami attended.

How did Bergami conduct himself?-In the common way in which a servant would.

How did her Royal Highness conduct herself?In the manner that a mistress would conduct herself.

Did you ever observe any impropriety of conduct between the Princess and Bergami ?—Never.

When did you quit her Royal Highness's service ?-I sent in my resignation in the year 1817.

What was your reason for resigning? My brother wrote requesting me to re

turn.

While at Civita Vecchia did you see Bergami ?—I did.

Will you try and recollect with accuracy whether you did not see him at Civita Vecchia walking with the Princess?

The Princess and I frequently walked out together, and Bergami attended; he did not walk with us, but a little way behind us.

Cross-examined. Will you take upon you to swear that on none of those occa sions her Royal Highness walked arm in arm with Bergami I have no recollection of it.

Will you take upon yourself to swear that she did not ?I can only say that I have no recollection of it; as far as I recollect, Bergami attended at a little distance, unless he was called to be asked a question.

Then I understand you will not swear that the Princess did not on that occasion walk arm in arm with Bergami ?-I certainly do not recollect that she did.

But you will not swear that she did not?-I cannot positively swear, but I never was struck by it.

Why, if such a thing had happened, must it not have struck you?-I suppose it would, and therefore I imagine it did not happen.

You filled the office of lady of the bedchamber?—I did.

That did not necessarily lead you into her Royal Highness's bed-room?-Very frequently it did; frequently she sent for me.

At Naples?-At Naples.

Was the Princess always alone on those occasions ?-Not always alone, certainly; sometimes there were persons with her. Do you recollect ever upon these occa

sions seeing Bergami in the bed-room ?— I have seen him myself in the bed-room, because we dined in the bed-room. I dined in the bed-room with the Princess and William Austin, and Bergami used to wait upon us as servant.

Had any application been made to you to join her Royal Highness in Germany before you took the resolution of quitting? Yes, there had.

How long before?—I cannot accurately remember how long.

[Bergami attended as courier on the journey from Naples to Rome, and from Rome to Civita Vecchia.]

Does your ladyship recollect whether Bergami accompanied the carriage as courier in that part of the journey ?—I believe he did; but I am not so positive in my recollection of his being present on this as on the former part of the journey.

Does your ladyship recollect Bergami riding up to the carriage in the former part of the journey, and addressing her Royal Highness, and saying-" a boire, Madame I recollect his coming up to ask for something to eat or drink, and her Royal Highness giving him something when called.

Do you recollect whether it was before or after he was called? I have no distinct recollection, but I think it was af

ter.

Was it a bottle which her Royal Highness handed to Bergami?-Yes, it was a bottle of wine.

Did he drink on receiving it ?—I think he did.

From the bottle, without a glass?-I think so.

Did he afterwards return the bottle to her Royal Highness ?—I cannot positive ly say; but I fancy he did.

After you had made up your mind to quit the service of her Majesty, did you not state to some person that you found a vast relief to your mind in having come to that resolution?—I have no distinct recollection of having stated that.

Your ladyship says you have no distinct recollection of having made this statement; but do you remember having said anything to the same purpose or cffect?-No; I may have said something like it, but I do not think I ever did.

Perhaps I may be able to call the circumstance a little more to your ladyship's recollection. After your determi nation to leave the Princess of Wales, did you not say that that determination was a vast relief to your mind, for that no woman with any regard to her character, would wish to continue with her Royal Highness?-I do not recollect having said any such thing, or used any such words. Does your ladyship recollect having said any thing to that effect?-No.

Will your ladyship undertake to say that you did not state those words, or make use of words to that effect?-I have no recollection of ever having used any such words.

I understand your ladyship will not undertake to say that you did not make use of these very words?—I say I do not remember having made use of them. I have no recollection of them.

Your ladyship having said that you have no recollection of those words, I wish to ask whether your ladyship will undertake to say that you never did make use of them?-I can only say that I think it extremely improbable I should have used such words, and I do not recollect that I ever did,

I understand that your ladyship will not say that you did not make use of those words? I can only repeat that I have no recollection of having used them, and I think it very improbable that I

should.

Will your ladyship undertake to say that you have not made use of words to that effect more than once?—I have no recollection of using them at all.

Your ladyship, however, will not undertake to say that you have not used them more than once?-I can only repeat what I said before, that I have no recollection of using any such words, and that I do not think it probable I ever did use them.

Did you not say, on quitting the service of the Princess of Wales, that, if it had not been for the desire you had to assist an individual with what you saved from that service, you would have quitted it long before?It is very possible that I may have used these words, but I do not distinctly recollect having used them. I think it, however, possible.

Having recalled those last words to your ladyship's recollection, I would beg to know whether the former did not pass at the same time?—I have no recollec tion of having used the former words, and do not think I ever used them. I have no distinct recollection at what time I said, that, had it not been for my desire to assist an individual, I would have quitted her Royal Highness's service sooner; but certainly I do not think that I coupled that observation with any words implying an unfavourable opinion of her Royal Highness.

Does your ladyship say that you recollect you did not couple the observation about leaving her Royal Highness's service with the former words?-As far as I recollect I did not.

But your ladyship will not be positive? -I can only say that I have no kind of recollection, and think it not at all probable.

Do I understand your ladyship that you do not say positively that it was not so?--I have no recollection of ever saying that no woman of character would wish to continue with the Queen.

Your ladyship must perceive that this is not an answer to my question, whether you can positively say it was not so?I can only say that I have not the least recollection of having said so to any body at any time.

Re-examined. The Solicitor-General has asked you a question relative to a communication on your resignation. To whom was it made?-To my husband.

To any one else?—No.

Is Mr Lindsay at present in distressed circumstances?—Yes.

Has he been so for a considerable period?-For some years.

Did you experience any difficulty, while in her Royal Highness's service, respecting the payment of your salary? Yes, at one time there was a good deal of arrears due.

Did any other circumstance occur in 1817 which might have rendered your situation in her Royal Highness's service disagreeable to you?-Yes; being obliged to attend at a time [here her ladyship was much affected]-if my attendance had been required there, because I was thenunder great depression of spirits.

Had you not lost some near relative at that time?—Yes; two.

Were they not the late Lord Guilford and Lady Glenbervie?-Yes.

I wish to ask whether you yourself ever observed in the conduct of her Majesty, any impropriety which induced you to leave her service?—I never myself observed any impropriety to induce me to resign.

Examined by the Peers.-The Earl of DONOUGH MORE.-There was nothing improper that you have seen?—No, Ï have not seen any impropriety.

Was there any report? (A general call of " Order, order.")

The Earl of DONOUGHMORE.-I only ask the reason which induced her ladyship to quit the service of the Princess of Wales.

Mr BROUGHAM objected to such a question being asked.

The LORD CHANCELLOR. It is certainly competent for any Noble Lord to ask whether there was any other reason which induced her ladyship to quit her Royal Highness's service.

Mr BROUGHAM.-Reports of a very atrocious nature may have gone forth against her Majesty.

The Earl of DONOUGH MORE.-Order, order. I ask only into the reason of quitting her Royal Highness's service.

The LORD CHANCELLOR.-No report of any kind can be evidence to your Lordships.

The Earl of DONOUGH MORE proceeded. Had your ladyship any other reasons except those which you have mentioned for quitting the Princess of Wales?— There was nothing seen improper; but the reports were of so unpleasant and degrading a nature as to operate on my mind in quitting her Royal Highness.

By Lord CALTHORPE.-During your ladyship's acquaintance with the conduct of the Princess of Wales, did you observe any familiarity on the part of her Royal Highness with her menial servants, both male and female ?-I only observed that her Majesty was particularly affable and familiar to all her servants.

Did your ladyship think that her Majesty's familiarity towards her servants exceeded what is usual in the higher

classes in this country?-I think the higher classes are more condescending towards their servants than the class below them. Her Majesty was particularly so.

Was her Majesty's condescension peculiar even in foreign society?-Perhaps. I am no good judge of foreign manners. Foreigners are more apt to converse with their servants than the English are. They have less reserve. Her Royal Highness had that familiarity which I observed in foreigners conversing with their servants.

The LORD CHANCELLOR-If Lady Charlotte Lindsay can find or cannot find the letter, you will communicate to the house.

Mr BROUGHAM.-Most undoubtedly, my Lord.

Lady Charlotte afterwards appeared again at their Lordships' bar, and was re-examined by the Lord Chancellor. Has your ladyship searched for that letter?—Yes, my lord, I have. Have you been able to find it?-No, I have not.

Do you believe it not to be in existence? have reason to think it not in exist

ence.

Did the familiarity of her Royal High--I ness greatly exceed the degree of familiarity you had seen among the foreigners by the opportunities your ladyship had of seeing foreign society ?-No, not greatly.

By the Earl of LAUDERDALE.-Your ladyship mentioned that you had a communication from your brother, the Earl of Guilford; did your brother in that letter advise you to quit the service of the Princess of Wales? was that your brother's advice?-It was.

Have you the letter in your possession?-No, I have not.

The LORD CHANCELLOR asked her ladyship-Do you know whether the letter is in existence or not?-I believe not. I did not keep it.

Did you make any search for it?—No, I have not searched for it.

After some farther conversation the Earl of LIVERPOOL said he wished to know where they were-was a search ordered or not?

The LORD CHANCELLOR said, if any Noble Lord desired search to be made, he might order to that effect. But if any question should arise upon the letter, after it was ascertained whether the letter could be found or not, that question could not be asked now. But if it contained only reports, it was impossible that any question respecting such reports could be asked.

The Earl of LAUDERDALE desired that a search should be made for the letter. The LORD CHANCELLOR.--Search must be made for the letter.

Mr BROUGHAM (Lady Charlotte Lindsay having withdrawn.) We undertake, my Lords.

Have you reason to think it can be any where else than in your own possession? -No.

By the Earl of LAUDERDALE.-Can Lady Charlotte Lindsay state the grounds of her brother's request, as stated in that letter?-I have no distinct recollection of any thing contained in that letter, except an advice that I should resign my situation, and some pecuniary arrangements that were to take place between us.

Does her ladyship's recollection lead her to think that that advice was given her without any cause assigned?

Mr BROUGHAM objected to the form of this question, which was then put by the Earl of Lauderdale in this manner:

Can her ladyship say whether her brother gave his advice without assigning any cause for it ?-I don't recollect, in that letter, his assigning a cause; but I have some indistinct idea that the reports to which I have before alluded must have been mentioned in that letter, though I cannot positively say.

What reports does your ladyship allude to ?-Reports that I mentioned in answer to a question put to me yesterday by a noble lord-reports of an unplea sant and degrading nature, that have influenced me in resigning my situation.

By Lord ERSKINE.-Are those the reports which your ladyship said had not been confirmed, but contradicted, by your own observations?—Yes.

WILLIAM CARRINGTON, [Was at Naples as servant to Sir W. Gell. Bergami slept the first night in a very small room above Sicard's the stew

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